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Matthias Neubauer wrote: > I don't get it either. I, for my part, I'm rather underwhelmed ... > > This all seems to bring us back to the "good old times" where there > was no real separation between code and data---this time, it just > happens "one stage further up" ... That is a rather different issue from whether syntax objects are opaque to list operations. Syntax objects are data, whether they are opaque or not to list operations. I would consider the cross-stage persistence semantics you advocated a much better example of what it means to confuse the distinction between code and data. As you know from the namespaces thread, I am in fact advocating a stricter separation between code on the one hand, and data representing code at a different syntactic storey on the other hand, than is currently done in comparable Scheme macro systems. Cheers Andre