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*To*: srfi-58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*Subject*: Re: #\a octothorpe syntax vs SRFI 10*From*: "Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+srfi@xxxxxxxxxx>*Date*: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:24:38 -0800*Delivered-to*: srfi-58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*In-reply-to*: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412301550550.3862@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*Mail-followup-to*: srfi-58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*References*: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412262207080.10074-100000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <20041230222337.3D7BD1B7711@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412301550550.3862@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*User-agent*: Mutt/1.4.1i

Aubrey Jaffer wrote: >> English doesn't much help remember Scheme exponent markers: >> >> The letters `s', `f', `d', and `l' specify the use of SHORT, SINGLE, >> DOUBLE, and LONG precision, respectively. [R5RS] >> >> I don't usually think of a DOUBLE as shorter than a LONG. And where >> did `f' for SINGLE come from? Maybe it is a C-ism. In any case, it >> is one of five characters (with 'e') rather than one of five longer >> sequences to remember. bear wrote: > Actually, scheme exponent markers other than default-precision 'e' are > 's' 'f' 'd' and 'l', for 'short', 'float', 'double', and 'long', > which only makes sense if you are a C programmer. First, some background stuff: IEEE 754 specifies two basic and two extended floating-point formats. C specifies three floating-point types, usually mapped to two or three of the IEEE 754 formats. R5RS specifies four floating-point precisions and recommends the use of IEEE 754, but its types don't quite match IEEE 754 or C: IEEE 754 format C type Scheme precision ---------------------------------------------------- single float f/single single extended N/A s/short (?) double double d/double double extended long double l/long The f/single and d/double precisions map neatly to IEEE 754 and C. The l/long precision maps neatly to C and should usually use the IEEE 754 "double" or "double extended" format. However, it's not clear what to use for s/short. The R5RS description suggests that "short" is less precise than "single," but the most obvious translation into IEEE 754 formats suggests just the opposite. Next, some issues for SRFI 58: The current names for flonum arrays are "real-64" and "real-32," corresponding to "IEEE 64.bit floating point real" and "IEEE 32.bit floating point real." There are a few problems with this. First, the SRFI should cite IEEE 754 specifically, since the IEEE has standardized more than one system of floating-point formats. The correct full name of the standard is "ANSI/IEEE Std 754–1985, IEEE Standard for Binary Floating-Point Arithmetic." Second, the format names are properly "single" and "double," not "32.bit" and "64.bit." Note that a system could have a 64-bit "single extended" format, which would make the current SRFI 58 names ambiguous. Third, both IEEE 754 and R5RS Scheme specify four floating-point formats, but SRFI 58 currently supports only two. It should probably support the other two types. Fourth, if the SRFI requires IEEE 754 representations, it should also mandate a particular correspondence between IEEE 754 formats and Scheme precisions (e.g., f=single, s=single extended, etc). Otherwise, users won't be able to match literal reals to array types reliably. Finally, the array element prefix should match IEEE 754 (single, double), Scheme (f/single, d/double), or SRFI 47 (ar32, ar64). The current "real-32" and "real-64" prefixes don't quite match any of those. -- Bradd W. Szonye http://www.szonye.com/bradd

**Follow-Ups**:**Re: #\a octothorpe syntax vs SRFI 10***From:*Aubrey Jaffer

**Scheme flonum literals***From:*Bradd W. Szonye

**References**:**Re: #\a octothorpe syntax vs SRFI 10***From:*campbell

**Re: #\a octothorpe syntax vs SRFI 10***From:*Aubrey Jaffer

**Re: #\a octothorpe syntax vs SRFI 10***From:*bear

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