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>>>>> "Olin" == shivers <shivers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Olin> But the second point says that you better not count on > 32 Olin> chars, so making the space *required* is painful. But this is only relevant if you're not using a trampoline. In that case, you're system-specific anyway. Moreover, the restriction does not seem to hold for most modern Unixes, including recent versions of (as verified by us) FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix, and MacOS X. In fact, I don't know a single current Unix version which still has it. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla