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As David knows, I'm not a big fan of mechanisms to retrieve a procedure's arity. If such a mechanism is going to be standardized, however, as a SRFI or in some future report, I'd prefer it be as small, simple, and efficient as possible. I therefore propose the following simpler alternative to the mechanism described in the SRFI. It consists of a single procedure, procedure-arity: -------- (procedure-arity proc) -> bitmask | #f Bitmask is an exact integer. Bit i is set in the two's complement representation of bitmask if proc accepts i arguments. Conversely, bit i is reset if proc is certain to reject i arguments. #f implies no arity information is available. -------- This simpler proposal satisfies the requirements set forth in the first paragraph of the rationale. It is also straightforwardly implemented using any of the mechanisms referenced in paragraph 2 of the rationale. It leverages the existing bit testing procedures in R6RS and many non-R6RS Scheme implementations, e.g., R6RS bitwise-bit-set?; it works for all procedures created by case-lambda; and it is uniquely specified, so there is no normalization issue. For most procedures, the bitmask will be a fixnum. In most implementations, this means computing it requires no allocation, and working with arities will be efficient. Perhaps most importantly, the mechanism requires the addition of only one procedure to the language, and no data types, is simple to describe, and simple to use. Discussion: This simpler proposal does not allow an implementation to expose as much of the structure of a procedure's implementation as does the existing proposal. For example: (procedure-arity (case-lambda [(x y) ---] [x ---])) might return (2 #(0)) with the existing proposal, where #(0) is an arity-at-least object representing zero or more arguments, hinting at the structure of the procedure argument. Meanwhile, the same call returns -1 with the simpler proposal. On the other hand, nothing in the existing proposal _requires_ an implementation of procedure-arity to expose the structure of the procedure argument, so the above call to procedure-arity might simply return #(0), or, due to some quirk of its optimized representation of the procedure, return, say, (0 1 2 3 4 5 #(4)), where #(4) is an arity-at-least object representing four or more arguments. Thus, I see this neither as a benefit of the existing proposal nor as a drawback of the simpler proposal. It might even be considered a feature of the simpler proposal that no more of the internal structure of a procedure can be leaked than necessary. Issues: It might be better for procedure-arity to return -1 if no arity information is available, meaning the procedure might accept any number of arguments, just to keep it simple and given that the existence of arity information is no guarantee of its accuracy, as discussed in the Caveat Emptor section. A different name can be used to avoid conflict with existing mechanisms. Kent